r113076 MediaWiki - Code Review archive

Repository:MediaWiki
Revision:< r113075‎ | r113076 | r113077 >
Date:19:55, 5 March 2012
Author:emsmith
Status:ok (Comments)
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Comment:
bug 34882 - rewording - show this post to unhide this post (and derivatives)
Modified paths:
  • /trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ArticleFeedbackv5.i18n.php (modified) (history)

Diff [purge]

Index: trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ArticleFeedbackv5.i18n.php
——@@ -84,7 +84,7 @@
8585 'articlefeedbackv5-hidden' => 'This post was hidden by an authorized editor',
8686 'articlefeedbackv5-deleted' => 'This post was deleted by oversighters',
8787 'articlefeedbackv5-form-hide' => 'Hide this post',
88 - 'articlefeedbackv5-form-unhide' => 'Show this post',
 88+ 'articlefeedbackv5-form-unhide' => 'Unhide this post',
8989 'articlefeedbackv5-form-helpful' => 'Mark as helpful ($1)',
9090 'articlefeedbackv5-form-abuse' => 'Flag as abuse ($1)',
9191 'articlefeedbackv5-form-abuse-masked' => 'Flag as abuse',
——@@ -155,10 +155,10 @@
156156 'articlefeedbackv5-noteflyover-hide-help-link' => '#',
157157
158158 /* Show this post panel */
159 - 'articlefeedbackv5-noteflyover-show-caption' => 'Show this post',
 159+ 'articlefeedbackv5-noteflyover-show-caption' => 'Unhide this post',
160160 'articlefeedbackv5-noteflyover-show-label' => 'Add a note',
161 - 'articlefeedbackv5-noteflyover-show-placeholder' => 'Why are you showing this post?',
162 - 'articlefeedbackv5-noteflyover-show-submit' => 'Show this post',
 161+ 'articlefeedbackv5-noteflyover-show-placeholder' => 'Why are you unhiding this post?',
 162+ 'articlefeedbackv5-noteflyover-show-submit' => 'Unhide this post',
163163 'articlefeedbackv5-noteflyover-show-help' => 'Learn more',
164164 'articlefeedbackv5-noteflyover-show-help-link' => '#',
165165

Comments

#Comment by Amire80 (talk | contribs)   19:01, 6 March 2012

Short summary: Please document all the messages with "hide" and "oversight" in them, and if possible, avoid using "unoversight" entirely.

This confuses things completely. There's hide and there's oversight, and also unhide and unoversight.

Translators in translatewiki.net complained repeatedly about this - they have no idea how to translate this. It may be easy to coin English words by sticking un- to them, but it's not as easy in other languages. Furthermore, if "oversight" means "hide", then what does "hide" mean?

And even before we get to translation, "unoversight" is not an English word at all: it doesn't appear in any dictionary and if you Google it, you will hardly find any results not related to MediaWiki. To begin with, "Oversight" is used very strangely in the MediaWiki world - in the dictionaries i checked, it's not even a verb, and its actual technical meaning is quite far from its English meaning, "watchful care". This means that "unoversight" is second-generation MediaWiki lingo. So even English-speaking users may find this puzzling (although i admit that it's curious for the linguist in me).

And by the way, "unhide" also doesn't appear in the English dictionaries i checked.

Please document all the messages with "hide" and "oversight" in them, and if possible, avoid using "unoversight" entirely.

#Comment by Elizabeth M Smith (talk | contribs)   19:51, 6 March 2012

I'll ask Fabrice and Oliver for clarification, but as far as I know they are in charge of terminology choices. There are two levels of preventing others from seeing feedback - hide and un-hide (show) - oversight and un-oversight (with oversight roughly meaning "delete")

This specific change was requested in bugzilla (see the bug number in the commit message)

#Comment by Fabrice Florin (talk | contribs)   00:18, 7 March 2012

Thanks, Amire80. I am afraid we will not be able to act on your request in this release. The term 'oversight' was determined by the community, which feels strongly we should continue to use that term, as does the WMF legal counsel and team. This leaves us no choice but to use the term 'unoversight' as the opposite function, for consistency with all other functions on this release. I understand this makes things difficult for translators, but this will not be the first time that new technology innovations have changed the language we use as a society. I recommend that you find the most appropriate term you can find in the languages you translate for, but you may have to create new words for these functions as well, since none exist in our current languages. Good luck!

#Comment by Amire80 (talk | contribs)   07:35, 7 March 2012

> The term 'oversight' was determined by the community, which feels strongly we should continue to use that term, as does the WMF legal counsel and team

Can you point me to discussions about this?

> I recommend that you find the most appropriate term you can find in the languages you translate for, but you may have to create new words for these functions as well, since none exist in our current languages. Good luck!

You don't need to recommend me to find the most appropriate term and to wish me luck. This is a problem for all translators, most of which will just stumble upon these messages in translatewiki.net. They won't read this thread here. So, even if you don't remove "oversight" and "unoversight" (and you should!), you still absolutely must document all "oversight", "unoversight", "hide" and "unhide" messages in the qqq space.

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